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AQR’s Antti Ilmanen – US Exceptionalism: Growth Story or Valuation Trap? | #607

Nov 21, 2025 • 60 mins

Today’s guest is Antti Ilmanen, Global Co-head of the Portfolio Solutions Group at AQR Capital Management. In today’s episode, Antti discusses the complexities of investment returns, the importance of understanding both objective and subjective expectations, and the dangers of relying on past performance as a guide for future investments. We explore the current state of the US market, the role of diversifiers in portfolios, and the behavioral biases that affect investor decisions. Antti also contrasts the behaviors of bond investors, which tend to be more contrarian, and equity investors, which tend to extrapolate.

Key Points

  • Equity market returns have been heavily driven by valuation changes rather than earnings growth, emphasizing the need for cautious expectations moving forward.
  • Retail investors often exhibit rearview mirror behavior, extrapolating recent strong performance into the future, while institutions tend to rely more on forward-looking yield-based expectations.
  • Diversifiers, including liquid alternatives and trend-following strategies, provide valuable risk management and potential upside exposure, particularly in environments where traditional assets like US equities may underperform.
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